On October 2, 1979, the administrative law judge held a hearing in which the plaintiff appeared in person and testified and was represented by the same attorney who represents him in the present action.
After careful consideration of the entire record, the administrative law judge made the following pertinent findings:
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3. The medical evidence discloses finds of chronic sprain/strain of the lumbar spine, with x-ray evidence of small myelographic defects at L4-5, consistent with the possibility of a herniated disc.
4. The medical evidence, including expert medical opinion, warrants a finding that the claimant can sustain sedentary work activity without undue symptom exacerbation.
5. The claimant's allegations of severe pain and disabling limitation appeared exaggerated, out of proportion to the medical findings as well as medical opinion and, consequently, cannot be reasonably accepted as accurate or credible.
6. The medical evidence together with the claimant's testimony, appearance, and demeanor at the hearing, warrants a finding that the claimant can sustain sedentary work activity without undue symptom exacerbation.
7. The claimant is unable to return to his past relevant work as either an automotive detail man or janitor in that such occupations exceed the claimant's present residual functional capacity.
8. The claimant is a younger individual at age 42, has a limited 10th grade education, and past relevant work experience of an unskilled nature.
9. The claimant's residual functional capacity for sedentary work activity, together with the above vocational factors, match the criteria of Rule 201/24, Table 1, Appendix 2, Subpart P of Regulations No. 4, wherein the Secretary directs a factual conclusion that the claimant is not under a 'disability' within the meaning of the Social Security Act, as amended.

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It was the finding of the administrative law judge that the plaintiff was able to perform sedentary work. It will be noted from the proposed Findings of Fact that the doctors who gave an opinion on plaintiff's work capability indicated that he was either capable of light or sedentary work. Accordingly, the administrative law judge's decision is not in conflict with, but was rather supported by, the medical evidence of record.
The plaintiff does not dispute the fact that the administrative law judge made his determination by following the procedure set out in the new regulations. Plaintiff contends that the fundamental issue in this case is whether, once the claimant can no longer return to his former employment, the Secretary can satisfy the burden of showing alternate employability only through reference to the newly enacted Social Security regulations, 20 C.F.R. §§ 404.1502-404.1513 (1980), which became effective February 26, 1979. [43 F.R. 55379, November 28, 1978.] Plaintiff argues that reliance on the regulations alone is insufficient and cites Hall v. Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare, 602 F.2d 1372 (9th Cir. 1979), to support the argument that the Secretary must identify specific jobs which the claimant is capable of performing, preferably through the testimony of a vocational expert, and that reliance solely on the regulations is merely a theoretical determination of whether a particular claimant is capable of performing substantial gainful activity. [Opp. 1-2; Pltf's Supp. Memo. 1-5.]

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Hall did not involve a ruling on the new regulations. The issue then is whether Hall should be applied to a case involving the application of the new regulations or whether the new regulations provide sufficient vocational guidance to permit the administrative law judge to dispense with the use of a vocational expert in plaintiff's case.
The use of the new regulations was approved by the court in Hicks v. Califano, 600 F.2d 1048 (4th Cir. 1979), in a case where the appeal before the court was pending at the time the regulations became effective on February 26, 1979. Said the court:
. . . The regulations define each factor to be considered in determining whether disability exists. 20 C.F.R. §§ 404.1505 to 1511. More importantly, they direct a finding of disability or no disability where the finds of fact in a particular case coincide with the criteria established in the rules and tables of Subpart P, Appendix 2. 20 C.F.R. § 404.1513.
Id. at 1050. The court ordered that the case
be remanded to the Secretary for determination of the nature and transferability of claimant's skills, and, upon making such a determination, the Secretary should be ordered to find claimant disabled or not disabled as required by the new regulations.
Id.
Since the court found an error in the administrative law judge's use of the vocational expert's testimony at the initial hearing, the administrative law judge was ordered to present to the vocational expert not just the fact of the claimant's back impairment due to arthritis but to present to the vocational expert the medical evidence with respect to all of the claimant's disabilities. Id. at 1051. The court, however, did not indicate that a vocational expert's opinion was necessary in addition to the administrative law judge's determination under the new regulations.
Plaintiff cites O'Banner v. Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare, 587 F.2d 321, 323 (6th Cir. 1978), and Wilson v. Califano, 617 F.2d 1050 (4th Cir. 1980), to show that other circuit follow a rule similar to that of the Ninth Circuit in Hall. [Supp. Memo. 2.] Although this is true, these two cases, like Hall, did not involve a ruling on the new regulations.
In Phillips v. Harris, 488 F.Supp. 1161 (W.D. Va. 1980), also cited by plaintiff, the court held that the promulgation of the new regulations clearly constituted a valid exercise of the Secretary's statutory responsibility under 42 U.S.C. § 405(a), and that the new regulations were 'not patently defective.' Id. at 1165. However, the court found that the way in which the new regulations were applied in that case precluded a finding of substantial evidence to support the Secretary's decision. Id.
Thus, in case of both plaintiffs Mullins and Phillips, the administrative law judge had found that they suffered from some sort of emotional impairment, which impairments under § 404.1504(d) of the new regulations result in 'non-exertional limitations.' Id. at 1166.
. . . When 'non-exertional limitations' are present, the regulations provide that the rules of Appendix II cannot be applied so as to require a finding of not disabled. See Rule 200.00(e) of Appendix II to Subpart P of the Administrative Regulations No. 4. Thus, in the instant cases, the Law Judge erred in finding that the new regulations required a finding of not disabled.
Id. at 1166. The court also found that the administrative law judge had not given sufficient consideration to the emotional impairment of the claimants. Id.
Phillips further held that 'the Secretary has failed to discharge the burden of going forward with evidence of capacity for a specific alternate job in the national economy and proof of transferable skills.' Id. at 1167. The court acknowledged that 20 C.F.R. § 404.1509(c) provides that in determining whether jobs, as classified by their exertional and skill requirements, existed in significant numbers, administrative notice could be taken of reliable job information available from various governmental and other publications such as the 'Dictionary of Occupational Titles.' Nevertheless, the court held that this determination was not within the administrative law judge's discretion based solely on his own expertise. Id. at 1167.
In that case, claimant Phillips was over 50 years of age and functionally illiterate. Claimant Mullins was 53 years old and her work experience was limited to that of a cook. The court drew attention to Rule 201.00(g) of Appendix 2 to Subpart P, which acknowledges that 'individuals approaching advanced age (age 50-54) may be significantly limited in vocational adaptability if they are restricted to sedentary work.' Id. at 1168. It was the opinion of the court that
. . . In close cases such as those at hand, it cannot be said that the final decision of the Secretary is supported by 'substantial evidence' when that decision is based, in essence, on nothing more than speculation by the administrative law judge.
However, the court also concluded that while it found it necessary to remand the cases for further development,
The opinion of the court should not be read to indicate that testimony of vocational experts is always necessary in cases when the sequential evaluation of the new regulations reaches step five ... In cases of prima facie disability decided subsequent to entry of this opinion ... the final decision of the Secretary will be reversed when reasonable questions regarding the transferability of work skills are not resolved in an appropriate manner. The court is of the opinion that the existing case law in this circuit is sufficient to apprise the Secretary as to what constitutes an appropriate response in a given factual situation.
Id. at 1169.
Certain facts distinguishing Phillips from the present case should be pointed out. Plaintiff, in the present case, does not suffer from any emotional or mental impairment. He alleged that he became unable to work at age 41, thus being classified as a younger individual, being well under age 50. 20 C.F.R. § 404.15(6)(b) [sic]. Therefore, his age is not considered to affect significantly his ability to adapt to a new work situation. Id. Moreover, he is not illiterate. As will be elaborated on below, the administrative law judge's decision was not based on pure speculation.
Defendant has attached to defendant's supplemental memorandum a copy of the opinion in Stallings v. Harris, No. 79-1051 (W.D. Tenn. 7/10/80). This case views the administrative law judge's discretion under the new regulations in a different light. The following excerpt from the opinion is worthy of consideration:
Plaintiff contends that the agency's administrative notice of materials contained in studies and treatises constitutes an improper substitution for its burden of proof in cases in which it is determined that a claimant is unable to perform his or her previous work. The agency concedes that in such cases it has an obligation to demonstrate the availability of jobs that the claimant has the functional and vocational capacity to perform. See, e.g., Gray v. Finch, 427 F.2d 598 (6th Cir. 1970).
As defendant correctly notes, however, the regulations are consistent with this judicial burden because they require complete consideration of a claimant's individual circumstances. In place of vocational testimony that jobs exist or do not exist that a claimant can perform, the regulations have incorporated extensive information from the same sources that a vocational expert would utilize. In addition, this information is specifically related to previous individualized findings with respect to a claimant's functional and vocational capacity. Thus the regulations meed the agency's burden in a manner that may afford more consistent and uniform results.
Id. at 6.
The administrative law judge found the plaintiff to be capable of sedentary work, which is defined as work entailing lifting 10 pounds maximum and involving sitting, although a certain amount of walking and standing may be necessary to carry out job duties. 20 C.F.R. § 404.1510(b). Sedentary work involves the lowest level of exertional requirements.
The preamble to the new regulations includes the following comment:
In order to consider the individual's residual functional capacity in terms of the level of work his or her exertional capabilities would represent, the definitions of sedentary, light, medium, heavy and very heavy work are use [sic] as those terms are defined in the third edition of the Dictionary of Occupational Titles published by the Department of Labor. This provided a 'bridge' between assessment of residual functional capacity and the identification of ranges of work and types of jobs that remain within the individual's functional capabilities. The rules attach vocational significance to the functional capability for various ranges of work in terms of the relative numbers of jobs represented by the various capabilities. [Emphasis added.]
43 F.R. 55352 (November 28, 1978). Thus,
. . . Approximately 1,600 separate unskilled light and sedentary occupations can be identified in the Supplement to the Dictionary of Occupational Titles (third edition), each occupation representing numerous jobs found throughout the national economy.
Most sedentary occupations are skilled or semi-skilled, and fall within the professional, administrative, technical, clerical, machine trade, and benchwork classifications. There are also approximately 200 separate unskilled sedentary occupations which can be identified in the Supplement to the Dictionary of Occupational Titles (third edition), each occupation representing numerous jobs found throughout the national economy. . . .
Id.
The present law of this circuit has been stated in Hall v. Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare, 602 F.2d 1372, 1377 (9th Cir. 1979), as follows:
. . . A general statement that a claimant may engage in 'sedentary' work, without testimony by a vocational expert who can identify specific jobs, absent other reliable evidence of the claimant's ability to engage in other occupations, does not satisfy the substantial evidence test.
It is incumbent on the Secretary at a minimum, to come forward with specific findings showing that the claimant has the physical and mental capacity to perform specified jobs, taking into consideration the requirements of the job as well as the claimant's age, education, and background. [Citations omitted.]
Ordinarily, the better method to demonstrate this is through testimony of a vocational expert. See O'Banner, 587 F.2d at 323; Garret, 471 F.2d at 603-04. Although there is no per se rule that a vocational expert's evaluation is necessary, the Secretary must be diligent in developing the facts where, as here, the claimant was not assisted by counsel. Cox v. Califano, 587 F.2d at 991.
Plaintiff's case is distinguishable from Hall in that he was represented at the administrative hearing by the same attorney who represents him in the present case and the facts appear to have been adequately developed. His impairment was low back pain, due possibly to a herniated disc. His impairments therefore affected only the exertional requirements of his work activity. 20 C.F.R. § 404.1510. He had a tenth grade education and prior experience as an automobile detail man and janitor.
There does not appear to be any substantial question concerning the transferability of plaintiff's skills. The administrative law judge found his past work experience was of an unskilled nature. Unskilled work is defined as 'work which requires little or no judgment in the performance of simple duties that can be learned on the job in a short period of time.' 20 C.F.R. § 404.1511(b). As indicated above, there are over 200 separate unskilled sedentary occupations identified in the Supplement to the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. There has been no showing whatsoever that plaintiff does not have the capacity to adapt to a sedentary type job, the duties of which can be learned on the job in a short period of time. These were the vocational factors which were expressly considered by the administrative law judge in his opinion.

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Therefore, on the record in plaintiff's case, there does not appear to be any substantial reason to doubt that the plaintiff was capable of performing numerous sedentary jobs listed in the Supplement to the Dictionary of Occupational Titles, a publication which is utilized by vocational experts in their testimony. Although a vocational expert, if called to testify, would identify specific jobs from the Supplement to the Dictionary of Occupational Titles, this does not appear to be necessary in plaintiff's case. Plaintiff's case is not a close one, as was true in Phillips v. Harris, supra, cited by plaintiff. The administrative law judge was not relying solely on his own expertise, his findings were not pure speculation and there was no reasonable question as to transferability of skills. His decision was not theoretical but had a basis in fact. Moreover, the court in Phillips v. Harris acknowledged that where the potential for alternate work was 'within the common knowledge and experience of ordinary men,' substantiation by a vocational expert was not necessary. 488 F.Supp. at 1167, citing McLamore v. Weinberger, 538 F.2d 571, 575 (4th Cir. 1976). This was likewise the ruling in Holguin v. Harris, 480 F.Supp. 1171, 1181 (N.D. Cal. 1979), where the court stated:
. . . Where the conclusion of the Secretary is within the common knowledge and experience of ordinary men, it requires no substantiation by a vocational expert.
Accordingly, it appears that under the present law of this circuit, the substantial evidence rule does not require that the decision of the administrative law judge be further supported by the testimony of a vocational expert.

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IT IS ORDERED that judgment be entered in favor of defendant and against the plaintiff, dismissing the complaint and action on the merits and affirming the decision of the Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare.

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[1] The regulations used to make disability determinations under titles II and XVI of the Social Security Act were recodified effective August 20, 1980. See 45 FR 55566-55634 (1980) (recodified in 20 CFR 404.1501-404.1598 and 20 CFR 416.901-416.996). The regulations cited in this ruling have been renumbered and rewritten as part of the recodification, but not substantively changed. See § 404.1560-§ 404.1569 and Rule 202.10, Appendix 2, Subpart P of Regulations No. 4.

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[1] Nucleus pulposus is defined as 'a semifluid mass of fine white and elastic fibers that forms the central portion of an intervertebral disk'. Dorland's Illustrated Medical Dictionary, 25th Ed., 1974, p. 1064.

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[2] Removal of the vertebral laminae on one side only. Dorland's Illustrated Medical Dictionary, 25th Ed., 1974, p. 693.